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    Later for Pap... Saigitty Spits that Real Talk, "Pain in My Life" Vid Shot in Harlem World
    Sunday. 10.15.06 4:37 pm
    All of a sudden, I've grown tired of the kid Papoose. With his crazy mixtape hustle, relentless flow and heavy New York swagger, I thought he would be the perfect fit as the new leader of NYC. But somewhere between his newfound mainstream connection and loss of mixtape interest, I lost interest.

    It wouldn't be right to keep him concealed in the mixtape department; every artist needs to grow. But now that he's major, it seems that he's lost touch with the streets.

    Then there's Saigon. This kid hasn't pushed nearly as many mixtapes as Papoose, but he seems to have three times the support and way less haters. However, with the way Atlantic has been fucking up, I was afraid that he would fall through the cracks as another talented rapper gone to waste. But surprisingly, The Yardfather has finally shot the video for the DJ Cocoa Chanelle-produced "Pain in My Life." The vid was done on 155th Street and B'way in Harlem.

    I was glad I found this. The Brooklyn/Mooseknuckle MC once spoke to Mean about fake thugs glorifying the "gangsta life" and his plan to raise awareness about the desperate situations in the 'hood:

    "What differentiates me is these rappers make it sound like that life is cool and keep talking about how 'real' it is. But for me, what's really real is how I lost all my childhood because of one mistake with a gun. I lost damn near seven years of my life from that bullshit they rap about, so I'm here to tell kids there's nothing cool about that gangsta life they glorify. All these people glorifying it, these kids rapping, they're in the studio all day and at the industry parties all night. If they were really out there in the streets every day, risking their lives and risking their freedom, they would know it's nothing to glorify.

    "Of course we're gonna sell records, we're in the business of selling records. But I want to be remembered for more than that. Thirty years from now, when we look back on who did what in hip-hop, we're gonna see that 50 Cent made a song about "Candyshop, come lick my lollipop." Meanwhile, we were trying to open doors in people's minds and better the conditions for our people in the hood."

    I hope all goes well for Saigon. Rap needs this.


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    Posted by SOHH Reckless at October 13, 2006 04:23 AM


    yea Saigon is nice. i'd pay for his album. u know AZ's album is coming out nov 7 right? u need to touch on that cuz he's the "Legend" of hiphop i am anticipating the most. AWOL was dope, every track was tight. and fuck the haters and stans, do ya thing. peace

    Posted by: JoeRipps at October 13, 2006 04:44 AM

    The below paragraph was previously included in the blog but I felt it was too inappropriate. So if this applies to you, peep, and keep my shit out your mouth as you're reading it:

    Before I bounce, [omitted] ...I know the feeling, as some relentless trickoff makes it his biz to come in here every so often to see if I'll entertain him... to no avail. Months of ignoring him has done nothing. GET OFF MY FUCKING TIP. Does it have a taste mothafucka? SPIT IT OUT. And wipe your mouth.


    Posted by: SOHH Reckless at October 13, 2006 04:47 AM


    yea Saigon is nice. i'd pay for his album. u know AZ's album is coming out nov 7 right? u need to touch on that cuz he's the "Legend" of hiphop i am anticipating the most. AWOL was dope, every track was tight. and fuck the haters and stans, do ya thing. peace

    Posted by: JoeRipps at October 13, 2006 04:44 AM

    Say word. I shoulda BEEN did a blog on duke. I'm most definitely copping his album. But that Hi-Tek is what I'm anticipating. Thanks for the big ups...

    Speaking of Big ups, whaddup Bigup, Xclusive, Ernest, etc. Sorry about that craziness yesterday. Shit was ridiculous. Didn't catch it till like 12am (as in a few hours ago)


    Posted by: SOHH Reckless at October 13, 2006 04:54 AM

    Siagon is Dope !!! But right now IMMORTAL TECH is gonna SMASH the GAME when he drops !!!! Peace to Saigon, Papp, millz, Ransom, Stack B , Hell Rell and the other Tri State niggas thats gonna Bring the EAST COAST BACK !!!!! EASY !!!

    Flatbush..all day !

    Posted by: mIZE2 at October 13, 2006 05:09 AM

    word, i feel u on Tech but i doubt he'll blow up. his views are to controversial. still he'll get his, "40 records sold, 400 grand". and yea Reckless do that blog on AZ, tell me isht i don't know. peace

    Posted by: JoeRipps at October 13, 2006 05:24 AM

    Siagon is Dope !!! But right now IMMORTAL TECH is gonna SMASH the GAME when he drops !!!!
    Posted by: mIZE2 at October 13, 2006 05:09 AM
    I feel you on that one Immortal Technique is truth!

    Posted by: Tray_J at October 13, 2006 07:54 AM

    Shout out to the blog master SOHH Reckless:

    1) A well written, meaningful, topic about Brooklyn's Heavyhitter Saigon.

    2) For finally addressing the issue with all these damn stans fuckin' up such a positive, informing yet entertaining blog.

    Back to the topic; I just copped the new Papoose vs. Saigon mixtape last night coming from work. I already listened to it twice front to back and I've come to the conclusion that Papoose is gonna lead the New New York revolution. This ni99a spit str8 venom on every fuckin' track. However, I still have to give Saigon his props for being able to keep up with such a lyrical monster. If these dudes joined forces and throw in Harlem's own Jae Millz in the mix, NYC should be back in the mothafuckin' building faster than the A Train to Washington Heights.

    Anyways good lookin' out on the shout out Reckless.

    Peace to real.


    Posted by: Xclusive BK Dude at October 13, 2006 08:01 AM

    : SOHH Reckless

    So we should expect some changes in here pretty soon, right?

    Posted by: quE at October 13, 2006 08:04 AM


    stop being a cry baby man....pap dropped a mixtape in june, kayslay album in august, was just on Hi-Tek's album, doin mad guest appearances, etc, etc.

    dude aint lose no connection with the street man, sit back and just wait, if 6 months goes buy and you dont get your exclusive mixtape or album....i guess you can go ape shit.

    pap and saigon are equally as relevent to hip hop as you want saigon to be alone haha.

    Posted by: Africa at October 13, 2006 08:05 AM

    Finally!!! You talking about a new comer who deserves the spotlight. I been seein Sai stomp through Brooklyn for years doing his thing. He's the greatest hope for the New New York. I think others are well intentioned but not talented enough. I just don't feel Pap much, I think his flow is too hard all the time. (Nigga you gang bangin over Bacon?) He's got interesting concepts but he fails to pull them off in his delivery in my opinion. The Yard Father definetely has Brooklyn behind him and that DJ Drama mix tape he did was fire. Peace to the usuals n-site, xclusive bk, huey, my 2 cents, slimgoody, blackfriday ect...

    p.s. Immortal tech is the truth but will not get burn because he tells just that.

    Posted by: Big Sun at October 13, 2006 08:18 AM

    Pap could be the next great MC. A lot of his older mixtapes were better than the some he put out this year. He needs to put the album out. It seems like hes trying to hard lately with his raps trying to be one of those gay punch line rappers ("i give the facts like a fax machine", " the club is on me like a steering wheel" etc.) Save that wack shit for no talent rappers like Lil Wayne and Cassidy I know hes better than that. I still love him as I do Saigon. They are both FIRE ! cant wait for the albums from the both of them.

    Posted by: Adam at October 13, 2006 08:32 AM

    This is the facts....Immortal Technique spits the brutal truth but doesn't appeal to a broader audience.....Papoose got nasty lyrical as they all do but he put it in a way the street could identify with it....Saigon got the lyricals, spit the truth, and have the street credentials to go with it...Plus he appeals to a wider audience....I think their success depends on us if we would pick our ass up and go buy their CD"S when it drops regardless of whut the first single is.....MUch Respect...MYSPACE.COM/BOTTLESBABY

    Posted by: Bottles at October 13, 2006 08:35 AM

    Back to the topic; I just copped the new Papoose vs. Saigon mixtape last night coming from work

    @ Xclusive BK Dude

    Yo. What Dj put that one out? I need to cop that. Pap and Sai are the 2 new heavy hitters. I will cop both album when they drop. Sai sickest mixtape was the one he did with Dj Drama pure fuckin fire.

    Posted by: MY 2 CENTZ at October 13, 2006 08:45 AM


    Posted by: jae matches at October 13, 2006 08:46 AM

    Shout out to MY 2 Cents!!

    Posted by: Xclusive BK Dude at October 13, 2006 08:49 AM

    The Yard Father definetely has Brooklyn behind him and that DJ Drama mix tape he did was fire

    Posted by: Big Sun at October 13, 2006 08:18 AM

    @ Big Sun

    That's what up! Mixtape was sick, sick , sick and took me awhile to get over that one. You have to give to Pap though too. I heard some stuff from him and his delivery is getting better the dude is just fuckin raw, unpolished talent. When Pap nails dude is going to one serious problem. Yo it's started to look like it will be a lyrical 2007. All you nursery rhyme dudes you better soke it up cause your finish. Real Talk!

    Posted by: MY 2 CENTZ at October 13, 2006 08:49 AM

    Yo Show some love and VOTE for BVALANO'S Song "Nothing but Death .. Can keep me from your luv"
    Also hit up the Myspace jawn and check out "COME TO ME pt2" The Remix Feat Fat Man Scoop ~ Peace BVALANO

    Posted by: BVALANO at October 13, 2006 08:51 AM

    Shout out to MY 2 Cents!!

    Posted by: Xclusive BK Dude at October 13, 2006 08:49 AM

    XBD give me the name of that mixtape Pap vs Sai. I have to cop it. Pap is suppose to drop a mixtape shortly here It's called "Second place is the Firt loser" We need an LP Pap what's up?

    Posted by: MY 2 CENTZ at October 13, 2006 08:52 AM

    What's up to the usuals!

    I see Reckless showed up in this piece. Good look out! Don't worry, today is take back our house day. I have a 2 hr meeting this morning btwn 10-12 but I'll be back in about 2 est and I'm unloading a week of angst on any stan stupid enough to open up their mouth.

    To topic:

    I'm not feeling Pap either. I expected something better than a high pitched Lloyd Banks. I like Saigon. It's about time a young'n came out and spit some truth and bought some real thoughts to the game. It needs it and for all the young niggas that check in here talking that old rappers need to retire shit, does Saigon fit into that same category?

    I'm on some grimey, Chicago shit today. Sometimes that equates to NY shit so stans we're on a zero tolerance policy today. Don't think I can't pick your ass out if you use someone else's name either. I know my peeps and I'll lean on your ass all afternoon if you provoke me.

    Shout to the real, Reckless and anyone else that loves Sohh NYC.

    Posted by: ernest frazier at October 13, 2006 08:54 AM

    XBD give me the name of that mixtape Pap vs Sai. I have to cop it. Pap is suppose to drop a mixtape shortly here It's called "Second place is the Firt loser" We need an LP Pap what's up?

    Posted by: MY 2 CENTZ at October 13, 2006 08:52 AM

    Correction it just dropped! "Second place is the First loser" Papoose mixtape out right now!

    Posted by: MY 2 CENTZ at October 13, 2006 08:55 AM

    Shout out to MY 2 Cents!!

    Posted by: Xclusive BK Dude at October 13, 2006 08:49 AM


    That was not me that was a fuckin' stan, Reckless please delete that shyt.

    My 2 Centz:

    It was DJ Suge White some unknown dude but the mixtape is fire.

    Posted by: Xclusive BK Dude at October 13, 2006 08:59 AM

    @ Xclusive BK Dude

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    Is Lil' Flip's "I Need Mine" A Potential Flop?
    Sunday. 10.15.06 4:34 pm

    According to Overture, there were only 599 searches for Lil' Flip's I Need Mine last month. Out of those 599, more than half are probably looking to bootleg the album. Flipperachi's career is on life support right now.

    Hey, don't shoot the messenger.

    But, before you get to slaughtering Flipper with all sorts of un-googleable epithets, here are some things to keep in mind:

    -Flip was the first among his peers to taste national success
    -He paved the way for the likes of Chamillionaire, Slim Thug and Paul Wall
    -He ditched former manager Hump because of alleged financial misconduct and established his own Clover G imprint
    -He's dropped two successful (read: platinum) albums under the Sony/Columbia umbrella
    -He parted ways with Sony owing to a series of allegations, particularly one about poor promotion of his product
    -The original version of I Need Mine was slapped with an "M" rating in XXL, replete with lines like "lackluster effort," "clichéd, forgettable..." and "impotent pickup lines."

    I wonder if his marketing/promotion is all kosher now that he's with Asylum/Warner, seeing as I didn't even realize dude had an album coming out in November.

    Word to those 599 people.
    Posted by SOHH Rizoh at October 13, 2006 12:00 AM

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    Janet Jackson Fans Ask More Questions, Justin Timberlake Keeps It Moving
    Saturday. 10.14.06 11:44 pm

    Ever since I wrote about Janet Jackson's product manager and what I thought was "curious" behavior, a lot has happened. Aside from the idle threats of violence, I've been all kinds of son's of bitches and we've been manning phone calls from the label. Clearly, I must have been on to something. But I "dropped" it. Then last night, this nonsense happens...

    Janet's fansites and forums are now buzzing from a message left by someone "claiming" to be Gil, one of Janet's dancers. I have yet to verify it's authenticity, but here are excerpts.

    "First and foremost, let me say that there will be a tour no matter what. Virgin got a 'talking to' and no matter what --- she is going to tour. There's a contract supporting this. They cannot pull out on the project by law...

    Janet wants everyone to call Virgin when you get a chance or EMail, but calling is the most efficient. Leave messages! The people we need to be contacting are David Munz and Jason Flam."

    But here is where it gets juicy.

    "The reason for the album not doing well is Virgin is not at all supporting her on the Pop side of things. Jermaine has been doing his job by promoting Urban, but Virgin is not - I repeat - not supporting her on Pop.

    The reason? Janet isn't resigning with them. Their attitude now is, 'She's leaving us. Why support her?'

    The most crazy/shocking thing is -- Janet has been paying for everything. Flights, Dancers, Band, Hotels.... EVERYTHING! Virgin hasn't paid for a thing. All of this has been coming out of her own pocket. She's happy that she came in at #2, and it means a lot to her, because it was all of her work/money as well
    as JDs work on Urban."

    Now of course this can be some ridiculous fan with the ability and reach to start some shit, but let's think on it for a second. Aren't people sorta kinda baffled by the progress of this campaign? Even if you aren't a Janet fan, doesn't things seem a bit off kilter? Just a little?

    Remember, this is the very same label that gave Mariah Carey $23 million dollars upfront to create an album, they didn't like it and then turned around and gave her $30 million to break the contract. All for one album, so this all maybe a disgusting rumor or it could be par for the course. (Ain't it funny though that Jermaine later goes on to produce the hits on Mariah's "comeback," Emancipation, and he is an executive at the very label that dropped her. That must grind somebody's gears over there.) Who knows? But let's move on.

    Download DJ Clue's "So Excited" remix here featuring Fabolous, Khia and Fat Man Scoop.

    Justin Timberlake's label seems to be doing their job. His single "SexyBack" continues to dominate the pop charts, the very same charts that Janet fans feel she should reign over. That damn Justin! LOL!

    Check out his new video for "My Love" featuring T.I.
    Posted by SOHH Soul Man at October 13, 2006 08:59 AM

    How did I know today would be a Dang! day? LOL

    Posted by: Dig at October 13, 2006 09:42 AM

    Damn them! I'm telling you I knew something had to be going on! But if that is true that she did it all on her own (paying), I would leave those dirty MF's too. Just another example of how the "whites" stick together....
    JD did all he could do. Everybody called him fool and downed him for hustlin' for his boo.....I say ef them too! lol Do your thing JD and Jan.
    She still the shit!!!!! Ya can't keep a good bitch down no matter how hard you try!

    Oh, what up ya'll. LOL

    Posted by: 2rttn4u at October 13, 2006 09:53 AM

    First off, Sohhoul Man, Have a Happy B-day this week end. Welcome to the "29.99 plus tax" club.
    Happy Friday to the Sohhoul Inmates, Sohhoul "Old" Man, and the "Trainees".

    I think there's truth to every rumor and this doesn't seem too far fetched. It seems like Dang! can't get a fair break but we don't know what kinda shit she's responsible for in the back round. She may be playing the "martyr" a bit too much.
    Since she's "paying' for everything, why is Virgin acting like such a bunch of Bitches? There's more to this than meets the eye.

    Dig, what happened to "first"? LOL

    Posted by: skdamc at October 13, 2006 09:58 AM

    and another thing...
    Wht the hell would they expect her to stay and do more? With all these so called "young'ns" that they cater to sayin' that she's "old" and she need to sit down. Did they really expect her to continue on (not that she couldn't)?
    She already said that she wanted to start a family and possibly have some kids and get married.
    Not that doing those things would keep her from recording but she's 40 and if she trying to have children she really needed to do that a while ago (but to each her own).

    This shit just burns me up!

    Posted by: 2rttn4u at October 13, 2006 09:59 AM

    Hey SK!

    You know what? I forgot my music!

    ******My theme music******

    My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard,
    And their like
    It's better than yours,
    Damn right it's better than yours,
    I can teach you,
    But I have to charge
    La la-la la la,
    Warm it up,
    La la-la la la,
    The boys are waiting… :)

    Posted by: 2rttn4u at October 13, 2006 10:02 AM

    What's up SoulMan! Janet's album is still in heavy rotation

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    50 Cent's Still A Bully
    Saturday. 10.14.06 11:41 pm

    The saga with 50 Cent and the editor of XXL magazine continues. It all started when 50's former manager Chaz "Slim" Williams had a sit down with XXL writer Radar. Slim had problems with 50 -- of course -- and wanted to air his side of the story through the mag. He gave a lot of dirt on 50 and in true bully form, 50 got pissy. He found out about the dirty laundry Slim aired and threatened pulling his ads out of XXL's print mag if they didn't scrap the interview or make it sound better. Supposdly, Slim has proof that 50 is lying about how many times he was shot -- if ever shot at all --and his hardknock lifestlye that has been exaggerated. XXL said "hell no" to 50 and ran Slim's story in the November issue anyway. The mag isn't saying either way of whether or not there is any truth to Slim's accusations. But yesterday, when a blogger for XXL wrote about the issue at hand, the story was yanked that same day. Word is that the mag is trying to make nice with 50 since they've pissed him off at this point. So they're trying to squash any rehashing of the situation. I guess they're starting to fall for 50's bullying tactics. Sad.
    Posted by SOHH Fabulous at October 13, 2006 05:17 AM

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    Akon Talks About His Multiple Wives and New Movie,
    Saturday. 10.14.06 11:29 pm

    Akon said on New York's Hot 97 last week that he has multiple wives -- seven to be exact -- and that's just his lifestyle. He's happy with it and so are the women in his life. But now, he's telling media sources that he can't talk about his polygamist lifestyle out in the open anymore. After being on Hot 97, he got calls from "higher powers" who practice polygamy that have been getting death threats and a lot of flack about the lifestyle. Since Akon said on the radio last week that he is Muslim and this is a "Muslim practice," many Muslims got offended (or scared) and now make him feel like he should keep his lifstyle underwraps. When the source asked him if he lived with all of the women, he said of course not because it would ruin the situation. Funny ish.

    Hopefully he can find seven women to cast as his wives. Supposedly Akon's making a movie deal to get his biopic on the big screen. And Mekhi Phifer is slated to play him. People have been saying Akon has a very interesting background for a life story. But keep it real... Are we really trying to go see Akon's life story at the movies? I thinks not.

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    Update: R. Kelly Hearing Postponed
    Saturday. 10.14.06 11:09 pm

    As a trial date seemingly loomed closer, the hearing for R&B superstar R.Kelly has once again been pushed back.

    In opposition to published media accounts, a hearing for Kelly's trial was scheduled for today (October 13), not his actual trial. Yet according to the Cook County State's Attorney's office, the date has been rescheduled for October 27th.

    The hearing will consist of pre-trial motions and a final date for the actual trial could be set during the proceedings.

    As previously reported by SOHH, the singer is facing 14 counts of child pornography, stemming from a video tape released in February of 2002 by an unknown source, that was sent to the Chicago Sun-Times.

    The clip allegedly shows the crooner engaging in sex with an underage female. The female in the video is allegedly the then 14 year-old niece of Sparkle, one of the singer's former artists and protégés.

    Since his arrest, Kelly has vigorously denied that the man in the video is actually him. The suspected victim and her parents have also publicly denied that she is the person on the tape.

    The tape, which was widely bootlegged and made available to the public, furthered wide spread debate on whether or not the man in the video was indeed Kelly.

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